Thoughts, big thoughts...only those 153 will understand...

Since it's hard to see where you are at in the process of awakening and all that, I wonder if we put too much on things like "Oh, I got angry just then!" and less on seeing the big picture of what we've been through in terms of real, major, stages, and where we are now.

I mean all the Work stages and engaging of B Influence and just all of it.

I mean, think of this, for instance:

The #4 level corresponds to regeneration by the Word and the Spirit. It isn't conversion and consciously having saving faith, but it is that 'new heart' put into you.

Then the #5 level may be seen as conversion. Conscious faith and repentance, and just knowingly being now IN the Kingdom of God. (Not seeing it all totally clearly by any means, but in the flesh we always will see as through a glass darkly, yet we also do get a more and more clear understanding of it all too.)

I was thinking of this because of the post immediately below. If I write that #5 is the king level, and if once regenerated AND converted - you have saving faith, etc. - you then are NOW a king, then one has to say one may, in this real sense, be a #5.

Think about it: it's a far ways I've (you've?) come to have saving faith and understanding of the Bible and doctrine and all the rest.

So, look at yourself from a higher perspective, this big internal new thing you have - regeneration first, but specifically saving faith (and repentance), i.e. real conversion - is something you 'may' have BECAUSE you have gone through these real stages and thresholds. Other Work people don't have it, right?

Even other Christians. Though that is a hard read and not a subject I want to detour into...

If you're a king, you're a #5. (Obviously there is a mile-wide river of room for self-deception and claiming something you just havn't attained via stages and effort and all that, but...that is always the case. I speak to you who are reading this and know what I'm talking about to begin with, and you can determine and discern the matter for your own case.

But regeneration and being IN the Kingdom of God are rather 'big things'... (No? They are also in the mystical/epic realm of what we associate with C Influence and Higher Centers and so on. Real understanding. Also real will, in mysterious ways. Just having the Spirit of Christ - God - in you. The Holy Spirit.) They may indeed require some real access to higher centers. Really. I mean, I've written it before: there was a time where I couldn't even walk into a Christian bookstore, and before that I was a typical "Christianity is just stupid" type of person. And I don't mean I was that in the way a person may be who is just on the verge of connecting to it. I mean, I was faaaarrrrr away from connecting (it might even be saying it better to say I was simply mostly unconscious to anything regarding the Creator and redemption and so on). But then regeneration happens. But then after that conversion doesn't happen immediately. Conversion requires 'conscious' faith and repentance. Not just a sort of hazy "I've read the Bible now and am OK with that guy in Arkansas and have less hostility to it all now" it has to be understood and a consciously held position, or a conscious decision based on real, biblical doctrinal knowledge and understanding. It requires spiritual discernment. It requires a 'new heart' (higher centers access?).

I'm just throwing this out there. Because to tell you the truth, I think that as I am right now I could survive in the higher energy, less laws, environment of heaven. I really do. As much as I sit around thinking I havn't done enough or whatever, the fact is I'm sitting (or standing) on the summit of a mountain I've been climbing for many years now (all my life, really). I think I am 'there.'

Hey, when we can read Plato and really, truly 'know' that is beneath us, then real, rare stages and thresholds have been passed through. (I reference Paul of England's post on that subject on one of his sites, but change Plato to any higher influence and you know what I'm getting at.)

There's always room for more effort while in the flesh, more increasing level of being, more developing of understanding, of course; but when I put it like this: Can I surivive the environment of heaven, if it's defined by higher levels of energy and less laws? I.e. could I have the self-command and understanding of it all? And I answer: yes.

Right now, I'm basically fighting little battles, holding off all the chaos and annoying forces of the world, but I'm doing it as a harried child of God who understands it all...basically good natured about it all, not expecting any worldly prizes or anything; basically waiting for the next step... Doing some evangelizing along the way too...

See what I'm centrally saying though? We try to gauge our development, and think of how we may get annoyed too easily or are lost in some daydreaming, when a big, big thing like regeneration and then real conversion is inside us (I say 'us', but you know, if the shoe fits). We're still in the flesh, so we're still human flunkies. But, we can kind of see what our interests are now and motives are, and how our understanding is higher, more in the kingdom of heaven realm... We can always sharpen up with it all too, and that is something...

ps- Heaven, regeneration, saving faith, repentance, Kingdom of God, angels, the number five, fusion, Real Will, understanding, Higher Centers, &c...all have a C-ish impression about them...